We're excited to have one of our shepherds at Journey join us today. Jackie Binder is with us to talk about working at church camp (everyone on today's show has), breakfast with Jesus, and what it would look like if one of us wrote a gospel.

You can find out what it means to be a shepherd at Journey and see who our shepherds are here.

W.G. Hulbert: Worship and Discipleship Pastor
Cameron Simmons: Pastor of Ministry Development
With special guest Jackie Binder

Produced by Jeff Hulbert
Introduction by Cameron Simmons
Original Music by Jeff Hulbert