What if not knowing exactly where you're going is actually the point?

Jen Flogel never set out to be a generalist. She set out to be curious. And that curiosity walked her through finance, technology, change management, organizational design, compliance and eventually to the top HR role for the State of Wisconsin, not because she climbed a ladder, but because she kept asking how the pieces connect.

In a world that hires for specialists, Jen has built a career on something harder to name and just as hard to replicate: the ability to walk into any room, see what isn't working and help a team find its way forward. She took lateral moves and promotions with equal ease because the title never mattered as much as the problem she was stepping into.

Pour a cup and listen to Jen spill her story in this week's episode of Where Coffee Gets Spilled with Erich George and Lindsay Mayer.