In this episode, we speak with Professor Louis Rulli. the Director of the Civil Practice and Legislative Clinics at the University of Pennsylvania Carey School of Law. Professor Rulli is only the second person to receive the Pennsylvania Bar Foundation’s Lifetime Achievement Award, presented to an individual who has demonstrated substantial leadership in the creation and continuation of pro bono programs. During our conversation, we discussed Professor Rulli's views on public service, how law clinics operate, and structural changes needed in the legal system.