The American Interest

Episode 152: Trump, Weak States, and Immigration


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Relevant Reading:

Maximalist: America in the World from Truman to Obama

Stephen Sestanovich

Weak States: When Should We Worry?

Seth Kaplan

Good evening, listeners! We have a great episode for you this week, as host Richard Aldous speaks with Stephen Sestanovich about Donald Trump’s foreign policy position relative to those of his predecessors before discussing the problem of weak states with Seth Kaplan.

First, Stephen Sestanovich, professor at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs and senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, returns to the program to discuss how President Trump fits into the pattern of presidential foreign policy shifts described in his 2014 book Maximalist: America in the World from Truman to Obama.

Then, Seth Kaplan, professorial lecturer in the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) at Johns Hopkins University and senior adviser for the Institute for Integrated Transitions (IFIT), makes his podcast debut to examine the dangers posed by weak states and their potential to set off risk cascades, before relating this problem to Donald Trump’s decision to halt immigration from six countries.

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