Spiritual warfare isn’t just demons and dramatic church folks.

This week, Nate and Pastor Joseph continue the convo on spiritual warfare—minus the smoke machines and exorcism clichés. Think less “Hollywood horror” and more real-world spiritual struggle: burnout, doubt, distractions, and that one Christian friend who swears everything is “a spirit.”

In true When I Heard This fashion, the guys mix hard truth, real-life church experiences, and a healthy amount of sarcasm to break down what spiritual warfare actually looks like. No cheesy sermons. No spooky sound effects. Just honest discussion, biblical perspective, and enough side-eye to keep it interesting.

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