Raised by two Geography teachers, it goes without saying that this weeks guest has map making in his blood! The guys were joined by John Nelson. John is a true cartographer, working with the Living Atlas team and enhancing the user experience (UX) at Esri. He has authored many articles, written a gazillion blog posts and made countless maps, but there is one that sticks out among all the others. The great Robert Krulwich wrote a moving article titled "The Pulsing Earth" about one particular map John created. This is one of John's career highlights to date. Other things discussed include the importance of spending time outdoors, creating things and answering questions, evolution of map making, and the skillset every GIS professional should have. Producer Sean had the dirty C (COVID) so the one and only Big Shoots made an appearance along with our good friend Dr. Nik. Jack Dangermond was quoted. Music by U2!