- 00:14 - Life of a podcaster, always dull never off

 - 00:20 - Catherine had a container

 - 00:56 - Why are you looking at your phone?

 - 01:32 - Let's talk about the art!

 - 01:37 - Deconstructing the Arts Insider article

 - 01:45 - Finding the art online

 - 02:12 - Is invisible art hard art? Or just hard to understand?

 - 02:29 - Conning someone into buying your work?

 - 02:34 - This is worth $100. No $10,000!

 - 02:52 - $30k is so accessible

 - 03:15 - Prius is too small for Catherine's needs

 - 03:45 - Fred Flintstone and the Mustang

 - 03:49 - A Prius is definitely not a Mustang

 - 04:10 - Disintegrating Mustang, welcome to Ford

 - 04:24 - 2020 art market down, online buying up

 - 04:45 - No more galleries for James

 - 05:00 - Important to see the work in person

 - 05:25 - Jessica Silverman's "Hayal Pozanti"

 - 06:24 - Art interaction and energetic field

 - 08:40 - Art on Instagram

 - 09:10 - Revisiting "Virtual Phoestivus 2020"

 - 10:09 - Can't compete against Netflix!

 - 10:45 - Acceleration of pandemic trends

 - 12:36 - James is on Pixels.com

 - 14:42 - TikTok delivery experience

 - 15:05 - Pins are a big thing these days

 - 15:27 - Deconstructing the "unboxing thing"

 - 18:48 - NFTs and how collecting is different

 - 20:00 - Circling back to garbage "Art-ivists"

 - 22:15 - Tan Zi Xi's "Plastic Ocean"

 - 22:29 - "Disney-ification" of a message?

 - 24:17 - Recycled items are a medium vs activism

 - 26:00 - 40 year old copper pipe bracelets

 - 28:38 - Don't cancel James for this bad ideas

 - 28:56 - Soylent Green is people

 - 29:27 - Robert Bradford plastic sculpture

 - 31:27 - James is a "thing person"

 - 32:07 - Garbage vs collectible

 - 33:05 - Switchboard shelving unit

 - 34:30 - House flipping lessons learned

 - 35:18 - Salvaging old growth teak boxes