Leading a church congregation is an amazing feat. Just ask Dave DeSelm, who launched Fellowship Missionary Church in 1982 and saw it grow into the thousands over the decades since. Using 30+ years of leadership experience, Dave has now turned his focus to serving other Pastors to help provide coaching through the struggles, challenges, and mental health needs of these church CEOs. Clinton worked with and for Dave at Fellowship and had the great opportunity to talk to him on the WIRED Podcast about mental health and Pastors today.

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