Debra and Adam talk to Sean Dustin from the Nowhere To Go But Up Podcast. Sean talks about his recent trip to Utah and his journey from latchkey kid in the 80's to drug addict and ultimately a prisoner in a federal corrections institution. He explains what really goes on in the criminal justice system and how corrupt district attorneys and public defenders collude to get maximum convictions. They round it all out with some good conspiracy talk. Go support Sean, he's a good dude.

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