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Nick and Jeremy begin with a normal sports world discussion, followed by a topic of paradigms (I already knew how to spell that too btw) followed by a lengthy and passionate discussion regarding the "disease" model that mainstream recovery pushes, and how much they feel it inadvertently hurts a lot of newcomers, while putting forward a more practical explanation to replace it based on their own experiences.

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