What actually counts as Christian leadership… and why does it fall apart so often inside the church?

In this episode, Nate and Pastor Joseph dig into the truth about leadership in the church and why so many believers end up confused, hurt, or just straight-up annoyed by how authority works in different Christian spaces. They break down what healthy spiritual leadership looks like, how influence can be used well or misused fast, and why accountability matters way more than titles or stage presence. It’s honest, funny, and a little uncomfortable in the best way possible, especially if you’ve ever wondered why leadership feels so different from church to church.

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