In our one hundred and sixty-fifth episode, Aaron is joined by designer Juliana Moreno Patel of Wild Optimists. We talk about some games we've been playing, including 7 Wonders: Architects and Pandemic Legacy: Season 0. Then I interview Juliana about designing escape room and puzzle games and their Crimes & Capers series of games.

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