In this episode: Dan nerds out over Balrogs, Celia is finally heard, and Brigid goes full librarian on us. Our main subject this week is the MFA. Long considered a "must have" to be a serious writer. But is that the case nowadays? We discuss our paths to, or away from, the MFA, as well as the many variations on the MFA. Also: An interview with Lily Jenness, a Bloomington based writer and librarian, plus our usual mix of news and publication opportunities.