This week on Growing Apart; Cliff is trying 3/4 zip ups. Paul performed at Rockwood Music Hall last week. Cliff asks him a bunch of questions about performing. Paul shares some thoughts on performing. Cliff meets listeners of this podcast for the first time. Paul explains how important Vince is in his musical/songwriting life. Cliff and Paul thank The LVP and Vince a lot. This whole episode is about that night. Hope you enjoy it.

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Intro and Outro music from the song Fire at Vocal Creek by Easy Tigress. You can find more of Easy Tigress's music at easytigress.bandcamp.com