Jamal James joins the podcast in advance of his Showtime debut, and in a fascinating interview discusses boxing, being a mentor, and the death of George Floyd. Plus Kieran and Eric preview Jamal's bout with Radzhab Butaev and look back on Shakur Stevenson's win over Jamel Herring. And does Tyson Fury's win over Deontay Wilder crack Eric's list of Top 5 heavyweight title fights of all time?