Mike Essl, Dean at Cooper Union School of Art in New York, is Jeffrey Zeldman’s guest.

Topics: The designer as hobbyist. “I was an expert witness for the Associated Press.” Design is a machine. Working in a comic book store. The Cooper Union coincidences. Web design in 1995 versus today. New York design versus San Francisco design. Systems making versus picture making. Kind of Bloop.

Links for this episode:

• Mike Essl
  
• Mike Essl (@essl) | Twitter
  
• Welcome | The Cooper Union
  
• Born in the Bronx: A Visual Record of the Early Days of Hip Hop: Johan Kugelberg, Joe Conzo, Afrika Bambaataa, Buddy Esquire, Jeff Chang: 9780789315403: Amazon.com: Books
  
• Amazon.com: Watching the Watchmen (9781848560413): Dave Gibbons: Books
  
• The Chopping Block, Inc :: World Domination Through Graphic Design