Anna Kemp is back to talk about the Big Cow, she was the first guest, and now she's also the eighteenth. We talk a lot about how perception of things works, and how it shapes our reality. We also talk about the comparative heights of previous guests, and talk directly to the audience. Also Draclear and stuff gets a mention. It's an Echosode, what do you want? Talking points? You're not getting them.