For this episode, listen to us rant about the use and misuse of matter in rounds. We discuss the average reason person rule, the problems of lacking matter in rounds, as well as other issues we have personally encountered. This episode also features insights from debaters Tariq Maketab and Junta Park on a motion they recently released: THBT competitive debating should shift to being more evidence-based (including but not limited to. judges being allowed to intervene with expert knowledge, prepared motions, use of research during preparation).