17 again…(?) We go long in this conversation! We dive right in with the evolutionary purpose of conscious breath control and the true meaning of wealth. Through some circuitous route, we find ourselves talking about “Life Below Zero”, the romanticization of Nature, and the need for a community to survive. Artists as the macrophages of society, the beauty, and danger of search engines are also discussed with the burden of knowledge and creativity. Enjoy the show! We sincerely hope you hear something that shifts your perspective.