Raquel and Katie talk with their first male guest: Jason Jude Hill, who founded a film company, GrumpyFILMS, with his husband and business partner. We talk aspiring to be DINKs, coming out (both as gay, and as child-free), caring for a bag of flour, and maintaining friendships with your friends who have kids— and building friendships with kids themselves. (music: www.bensound.com)