Cheraé shares the tension between founder ambitions vs. practical life choices. Han chimes in and shares that "Plan B" is not a thing. The two then talk about vision, conviction, and what that all really means - especially for founders trying to adult, have impact, and/or leave a legacy beyond their companies (if this is a thing). The record scratch unfortunately brings us back to Trump once again while in culture the two share their love for "I May Destroy You" and Patti Labelle's pies (kind of).