In this episode I speak with Sadanand (SN) Ward Mailliard. SN, as he is known, is one of the founders of Mount Madonna Center where he has been a builder, teacher and administrator since its beginning in 1978. Sn served as President of the Hanuman Fellowship Board and taught at Mount Madonna School for over three decades, and continues as an advisory Trustee of the orphanage and school project in India. He has been a student of Baba Hari Dass and of Ashtanga Yoga since 1974 and has been an instructor in the Mount Madonna Institute Yoga Teacher Training program since its inception in 1979. He has a continuing interest in how we can rehumanize learning to best support the emergence of the caring responsible citizens the world now needs. He and his wife Kranti live at Mount Madonna Center and continue to be vitally involved in the ongoing evolution of the community.