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Your mind loves to act like the CEO of your life, but it’s often the last to know what’s true. Garry Schleifer sits down with Lisa Murrell, PCC, to explore embodied choice and why clients don’t actually make decisions with thoughts alone. We talk about somatic coaching in a way that’s practical, grounded, and immediately usable, whether you coach leaders in Fortune 500 environments or support clients through personal transitions.

Lisa shares how her work in systemic coaching and equine facilitated learning changed the way she understands “getting unstuck.” The big shift is simple but radical: the body is a sensory device, and breath, tension, and capacity are data. When a client’s nervous system is braced, options shrink. When we slow down, notice what’s happening below the neck, and build real trust, choice expands. We also dig into intersubjectivity, the shared space between coach and client where presence replaces performance and new possibilities can emerge.

You’ll hear why new coaches can get trapped chasing the “best coaching questions,” and what to do instead. Lisa explains her signature reframe “What would you do if this was your horse?” and how it works as a metaphor even for non-horse people, helping clients step out of self-judgment and into clearer action. If you’re curious about executive coaching, embodied leadership, somatics, and coaching presence that actually changes behavior, this conversation delivers.

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