2021 MIFRE Media award winner Robert J. Sawyer joins Mike and Dave for a stimulating discussion about his winning WWW series, his thoughts on different kinds of potential Machine Intelligence, and the rights of non-human people.

Machine Intelligence Foundation Website
https://machineintelligencefoundation.org

Robert J. Sawyer:
https://www.sfwriter.com/

Music "Inspired" by Kevin MacLeod (https://incompetech.com)
License: CC BY (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/)