Discussed: tape machines vs. plugins, the importance of chaos, CLASP, Electrical Audio seminar with Steve Albini and Greg Norman, continental breakfast, Billy Corgan as the alternative 90s Ted Nugent, Tony Visconti techniques, and listening as a producer vs. listening as a fan

More: KEXP, records vs. live performance, Ableton tips, Waves Abbey Roads plugin, how to suck at recording, Zola Jesus, Gorillaz, Rick Wakeman, David Bowie, eating hot dogs in music videos, making decisions based on format, Mesa Boogie MKIIA, tape delay and the HH Multi-Echo by Guild, Cyclone Analogic CR-78 Clone (TT-78), vintage Roland Cube 60, Ross Distortion, vocal effects vs. voice lessons, and white zin in the afternoon