Elle Grover Fricks is the pastor of Refuge Church in Pullman, Wa. In this episode she talks about leading a church meant for those who are healing from church hurt, how she thinks about creating belonging in her context, the importance of co-creating spaces of worship and community, how cultivating her own spiritual health helps her hold the stories of those in her community well.

If you want to hear more from Elle, you can check out two podcasts that she co-hosts - the Bema Discipleship podcast and the Text in Us podcast.

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