In this episode, Drew and Lizette talk to Joy Wilson. She is a parent of a transgender daughter, member of HRC: Parent's for Transgender Equality Council, and an activist for Transgender rights/racial equality. This episode is a wonderful conversation abt how experience and proximity can facilitate growth, understanding, and empathy. We also discuss the protests in Portland, Mom's United for Black Lives Matter, and the importance of allyship and solidarity in this moment.