Andy and Zach spend a delightful evening with Jim Kacalek. They discuss plans to build a vessel to circumnavigate the world, as well as identify things shouldn't go down the drain. Jim tells us about Hank Wasco and the Wasted Rangers. Also, you might learn something about chili (but probably not).

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