Joel is the Bass player of Canberra based rock outfit Hands Like Houses, who also undertakes a management role while Matt "coops" Cooper holds down lead guitar.

We chatted about their forthcoming release, differences in recording in different parts of the world and what's important, their equipment, their new patreon campaign called "Housos" and their steadfast work ethic under lockdown.

https://www.patreon.com/handslikehouses
https://boutiquesounds.com.au/collections/darkglass