Frank Wang from dbtlabs (@ffwang2 on twitter) joins Seth and Ken for a discussion on current security landscape, artificial intelligence, and machine learning. Follow Frank on twitter or through his blog at https://franklyspeaking.substack.com/. Discussion starts with current breaches and how organizations approach security through their first security hire. This is followed by a discussion on AI related to ChatGPT and how it will affect security in the future.