Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD

Episode 194: Tight Ship or Jazz Band? Finding Balance in Today’s Workplace


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Bob ‘n Joyce riff on how much structure is too much — and when it’s time to improvise.

In this episode, they dive into the ongoing tug-of-war between discipline and flexibility — habits that create stability vs. the adaptability that sparks innovation.

Once upon a time, businesses prized routine, rituals, and predictability. But in today’s fast-moving world, research suggests agility and openness may be even more crucial. So, which is it? The truth may lie somewhere in the messy, magical middle.

In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce:

• Coin a new word: flugidity – the courage to challenge routines that no longer serve the business

• Reveal how rigid habits and SOPs can create dangerous blind spots
• Explore what’s changed in the workplace to shift the balance toward flexibility
• Talk about the magic of mastering your craft and dancing in the moment

If your weekly ritual includes tuning in to us — well, that’s one habit we fully support. So grab a snack, get comfy, and let’s jump in.

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Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODBy Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford

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