In Episode 195, Trev and AJ chat about why *life* stuff > career news, and respond to a listener question that pits vision against the vision-less. Then Trev sits down for the third and final part of his interview with actor Doug Jones (Hell Boy, Falling Skies, Pan’s Labyrinth) – in which getting “pigeonholed” is a very good thing, why “if you don’t have anything to sell, don’t sell it yet,” the difference between turkeys, turds, and nuggets of gold, and how relationships, relationships, relationships are the true currency of every working actor’s career. Total running time: 1:15:32.

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