This week on the show, we welcome Phil Bowdle back to the podcast. Phil and Carl chat about the changes in communication we’ve had in the church the last few years. We walk through Phil’s new book Rethink Communication.

Phil is the Creative Arts Pastor at West Ridge Church in Atlanta. He is passionate about creating high impact experiences that lead people to Jesus Christ. He ministers to church communications leaders, creative teams, church planters and more. He also speaks, offers communication and creative coaching, and blogs about communication, leadership, and the creative church.

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