This episode is part two of a conversation between David Rios & Pat McMahon, wherein they discuss their respective experiences working in marketing and higher education, the pressures of capitalism, carving paths for one’s self, and who gets to call themselves an expert.

Episode 3, featuruing Louis Bryant III & Katie Giritlian, arrives on February 16, 2023. 

Bring Your Full Self is a series of conversations that center the humanity and emotions of people of color in the context of their labor, how they generate their work, and survive inside the systems of capitalism. This podcast is produced and created by members of Converge Collaborative, an artist-led BIPOC workers co-op and creative collective.

We hope you enjoy listening! Please reach out with any questions, thoughts, concerns, or feedback at converge@convergecollaborative, or on Instagram, @convergecollaborative.