Indie Vet and aging heart-throb Allen Epley talks with fellow Chicago scene avant-rocker Brian Case about all his cool bands like Disappears, The Ponys, 90 Day Men and now FACS. They discuss deeply how the dark sound of the new FACS record LifeLike was created, about how bartending would be better if other humans weren't involved, and then they throw in a little Shania Twain gossip for good measure.