In this episode, we sit down with Daniel Goulding, pastor of Echoes Church in Gilbert, Arizona, for an honest conversation about faith, leadership, and what it really takes to lead a rapidly growing church. Daniel shares the story behind the rise of Echoes, his personal journey into ministry, and the responsibility that comes with being a public-facing pastor.

We also dive into the behind-the-scenes management and business side of church leadership, navigating authenticity while keeping your guard up, conversations around the end times, material possessions and stewardship, and how to build something meaningful without losing yourself in the process.