Desiree Sacher is a Security Architect for a Security Operation Center in the financial industry. Eireann Leverett is a Senior Scientist at Airbus Operations, co-author of Solving Cyber Risk, and Founder of Concinnity Risks. He is co-chair of the Cyber Insurance SIG, and the EPSS SIG. Recorded in December 2020. Disclaimer: The views expressed by the hosts and guests are their own and their participation on the podcast does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent.