Ian, a former prison governer and a counter-extremism expert, has been a senior adviser to governments. He now lives in Devon, but he grew up in Co. Fermanagh in the 1970s and 1980s. It's these experiences of growing up in Northern Ireland during the Troubles - happy summers on the lakes but also losing family friends to the IRA's bombing of Enniskillen's remembrance day in 1988 - that we talk about. He describes himself as an Irish unionist, which he jokes "triggers all the right people". It's an engaging glimpse into what a Northern Ireland childhood brings you, and into the particular circumstances of Fermanagh. "Things are very different out in the West."