Last night, during the chaotic and discouraging debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, the president refused to condemn white nationalism—and even appeared to send a message directly to the Proud Boys, a far-right neo-fascist group, saying “stand back and stand by.” The group heard the message—and celebrated it.

How did we get here? How could an American president be so comfortable engaging with hate groups? Journalist Jean Guerrero points to Stephen Miller, senior policy adviser to the president—and the man she says has “radicalized” Donald Trump. Her new book, Hatemonger: Stephen Miller, Donald Trump and the White Nationalist Agenda, details Miller’s own radicalization as a young man growing up in California—a process fueled by right-wing talk radio, and later some of the darkest corners of the far-right web. It’s not easy reading, but it is brilliantly reported and exceptionally well written. Guerrero describes Miller as “a true fanatic,” and “probably the most ideological person in the White House today.”

In the podcast, we talk about her work covering immigration stories along the U.S. border with Mexico, and how being one of the first journalists to expose the Trump Administration’s policy of separating migrant children from their parents led her to begin focusing on Miller, the architect of the child separation policy, which she reveals was designed from the very beginning to intentionally cause the most excruciating pain possible to migrant families.

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And if you haven’t already listened to Episode 1, the link is right below. I had a fantastic conversation with NBC’s Keith Morrison, perhaps the most distinctive reporter in all of TV News—that voice!

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