In their second episode, Laura and Yvette have a heartfelt conversation about their concerns about pediatric medical transition. Laura is a trans woman who believes that access to medical transition can rescue some children from the horrors of dysphoria. Yvette has grave concerns about transition being a false promise of salvation from difficult and complicated childhoods. We have created this podcast because we believe it is important for well-meaning and empathic people who have arrived at different positions on contentious issues regarding gender to be able to have open and honest dialogue, and even more important for curious and caring people to hear