In this episode, we begin a discussion about how the racialization of AMM folk works. Pivoting in the second part of the conversation we move away from how we are perceived by others into how we perceive ourselves. We touch on anti-Blackness among the non-Black AMM folk. And we zoom in on the “Asian” racial category South Asians identify with and begin the conversation about how some non-Black Arabs and Middle Easterners perceive themselves as white.