In this episode, Joni and Harriet discuss the ongoing atrocities in Palestine, feelings of overwhelm and numbness, and how to sustain actions for Palestinian liberation and freedom. Harriet pulls from the concept of the Doppelganger from Naomi Klein’s novel, Doppelganger: A Trip Into the Mirror World, for how anti-Zionist Jews can face their Zionist counterparts and enact change through conversation. As we kvetch, we point towards the exit door from Zionism.

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Edited and produced by Sam Jones

CORRECTION: Jewish Voice for Peace has several resources about transitioning from Zionism to anti-Zionism. Here are some of those resources:

• First Steps to Stand for Palestinian Freedom
• Curriculum on Antisemitism from a Framework of Collective Liberation
• Project 48, a curriculum on the 1948 Nakba
• Diaspora Podcast by Jewish Voice for Peace, available on Apple PodcastsResources discussed in this episode:
  • Roles for Collective Liberation by Slow Factory
  • Doppelganger: A Trip Into the Mirror World by Naomi Klein, available on Bookshop
    • Chapters 13 and 14 are available for free
  • The Ten Stages of Genocide, Holocaust Memorial Day Trust
  • Index of discriminatory laws against Palestinians in Israel, Adalah - The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel
  • Genocide by the United Nations, Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect
  • In the Shadow of the Holocaust article by Masha Gessen