As Director-General Tim Davie and BBC News CEO Deborah Turness step down, Rob Francis asks what their departures really say about the state of Britain’s public broadcaster. In this episode of the TV Live Podcast, he unpacks months of scandal, misjudgment, and fear inside the BBC - from the Trump edit to the Gaza documentary - and explores how an institution built on truth has become paralysed by self-doubt.

From the corridors of New Broadcasting House to the front lines of community radio, this is a raw, reflective look at what happens when leadership loses its conviction — and how public broadcasting might still find its voice again.