In this episode, Chris and Dallin talk about the role organized religion plays in becoming what God wants us to become. They use the talk Russell M. Nelson gave in his most recent conference address about 'thinking celestial' as a reference and a back drop for the entire discussion.

What does God care most about? What role do ordinances and covenants play in someone's salvation or exaltation? Do you have to participate in 'Mormon' rituals and ceremonies to become what God wants? Why do these questions matter?

These are all questions they used to guide the conversation.