Host Dave Johnson and co-host Tyler Zito sit down with Sydney Marrone and Lauren Proehl, co-founders of the THOR Collective, to explore the evolving world of threat hunting. This conversation covers the fundamentals of building a threat hunting program, how AI is transforming both offensive and defensive security, and the importance of community collaboration in advancing the practice of "thrunting."

Key topics & timestamps

What is the THOR Collective? (5:27 - 9:29)

Evolution of threat hunting (9:38 - 11:55)

• Early days: Hypothesis-driven, minimal scope, "running queries and hoping for the best"
• Today: Machine learning, advanced statistics, AI integration
• Expanding beyond internal networks to cyber threat intelligence

AI's impact on threat hunting (12:07 - 15:44)

• Threat side: Perfect phishing emails, AI-generated malware, reduced red flags
• Defense side: Lower barrier to entry, query translation, threat intel summarization
• Lauren: "Certified AI hater" but acknowledges augmentation potential
• Sydney: Amazed by AI capabilities but warns against over-reliance

How to start a threat hunting program (15:44 - 21:15)

• Start small, don't overcomplicate
• Adopt a framework (PEAK, SQRRL, Tahiti, or custom)
• Ensure the basics: Automate IOCs, focus on top of pyramid of pain
• Critical requirement: Dedicated time (not "downtime hunting")
• Essential tools + use what you have

Proving value and storytelling (24:05 - 28:14)

• Every hunt should have an output—you can't fail at threat hunting
• Findings include misconfigurations, missing logs, undocumented processes
• Turn yourself into a marketer for your program
• Use metrics, readouts, presentations tailored to executive preferences
• Hunt relevancy factors: Focus on what matters to YOUR organization

Documentation and process (31:33 - 36:14)

• Tyler's mountain rescue analogy: Document everything, even "negative" findings
• Create maps of searched areas and techniques used
• If it's not documented, it didn't happen
• Another hunter should be able to replicate your work entirely
• Baseline and map to frameworks like MITRE ATT&CK

Key quotes

"If you ask three people what threat hunting is, you'll get three different answers." - Dave Johnson

"The barrier to entry [to threat hunting] is going to be a lot lower, which is great, as long as people aren't relying on [AI] way too much." - Sydney Marrone

"Every single hunt should have an output... It's very hard to fail at threat hunting—you always find something." - Lauren Proehl

"If it isn't documented, it didn't happen." - Lauren Proehl

"The only way we win this is doing this together." - Lauren Proehl

Helpful links

• THOR Collective
• The Threat Hunters Cookbook by Sydney Marrone
• Blue Team Village at DEF CON

Production Credits

• Co-hosts: Dave Johnson and Tyler Zito
• Producer: Ben Baker
• Sponsor: Expel MDR

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