Episode 2 features a wide ranging conversation with Vic Rayner, CEO of the National Care Forum, as she reflects on her journey in social care and the experiences that have shaped her leadership. Vic discusses the growing importance of digital transformation and how technology and data can strengthen care services and better demonstrate the value of social care alongside healthcare. Drawing on international models, she explores what the UK can learn from innovative approaches abroad, while also highlighting the role of intergenerational learning and the practical challenges of embedding new models of care within the current system.