Discussions With Dad: Faith, Blood and the In-Between

Episode 2: What We Learned Before We Knew What We Believed


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In this episode, we unpack how facts don’t exist in a vacuum—they’re filtered through faith, culture, fear, and lived experience. Acknowledging what we don’t fully understand about the fears and realities of the BIPOC communities, we explore how those unseen experiences shape perspective—both theirs and ours. From algorithms that reinforce division to the loss of gathering across difference, we ask when belief gives facts meaning, when it replaces them, and why we’ve stopped sitting at tables with people who think differently.


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Discussions With Dad: Faith, Blood and the In-BetweenBy Tony and Matthew Shaffer; Father and Son