Episode 2: Why Dialogue Matters: Beyond Words and Arguments (with Mary Jo White)

In our dialogue are we seeking the truth, or just to win the debate?

In this episode, host Kathryn Nijssen sits down with Mary Jo White - a political philosopher, forgiveness trainer, educator and UNIVLab 2026 Expert - to explore why true dialogue is not about victory, but rather a shared search for truth.

Together, they unpack St. Josemaria Escrivá’s advice for navigating polarization, the crucial difference between feelings and ideas in true dialogue, and why “wasting time” listening is actually the most efficient way to build trust.

In this episode, we also cover:

• ​The unexpected link between dialogue and forgiveness
• ​How and why we should separate temporary feelings from objective ideas in a heated discussion
• ​A three-step “curiosity shift” to refocus when entering dialogue.

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