In this episode of Conversations About Running your hosts Gavin and Callum are joined once again by regular guest Coach Hugo van den Broek. Together we share our thoughts on the recent disappointing news from Bowerman Track Club of Shelby Houlihan's failed drug test, before moving onto more positive topics such as the training and racing of one of Coach Hugo's former international team mates - Sifan Hassan, who has shown some seriously impressive form lately! We also talk about Callum's recent 5000m personal best and the reasons behind his success on this occasion. Hugo and Callum give their insights on the race itself as well as the training leading up to the race, while Hugo shares some interesting research on pain and pain perception that runners of all levels may find beneficial when it comes to racing. If you enjoy this episode of Conversations About Running please share with your friends and club mates to help us spread the word ✅