This week Debra and Adam are joined by author and journalist Mark Jacobson. Mark is the author of Pale Horse Rider: William Cooper, The Rise of Conspiracy, and The Fall of Trust in America. Bill Cooper is the author of Behold a Pale Horse and was an early star of the truth and patriot movements pre internet. Mark tells us about his journey researching and writing the book, his opinions on Cooper, and the state of America today. Unfortunately, Pale Horse Rider is out of print but if you look hard enough you can find one. We highly recommend it.

PS We're still trying to figure out how to interview people so bear with us. Thanks.

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